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It is erroneous to say that 'fag' is only British slang. It is too American slang for cigarette, although some view this usage as existence somewhat obsolete.

larry — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.74.250.113 (talk) 00:42, 6 February 2022 (UTC) [answer]

Does anyone think the disambiguation page for FAG should redirect to the Film Player'south Guild? —Preceding unsigned annotate added by 99.249.48.241 (talk) eleven:34, 12 December 2007 (UTC) [reply]

The word fag is continually existence used in modern mean solar day society every bit a negative term. Information technology is no longer associated with gay or titties homosexual faggot tendencies. Nowadays "Yous are just a fag!" has absolutely goose egg to do with the sexual tendencies of the person beingness defendant.

I suggest this is expanded upon in the article. My son has just accused me of beingness a fag for writing this. I do not believe I am homosexual.

You're very wrong almost that. Information technology has everything to do with sexuality, that's the whole point of the insult. You're calling the person a homosexual. It is not an insult otherwise. 70.49.243.154 (talk) 20:35, 10 September 2008 (UTC) [reply]

Agreed with the alternating meaning. If I had to pick a modernistic definition of the term, I'd say "Pejorative term for a cultural pariah whose beliefs or deportment are deemed contrary to the goals of the dominant civilization"128.211.249.84 (talk) 17:43, thirty Dec 2009 (UTC) [reply]

I think that the pregnant of the discussion fag is changing. Information technology no longer seems to mean homosexual, although it in one case did. I think the new significant is closer to "loud, obnoxious, arrogant". Re the Southward park episode "The F Word" airdate 11/04/09, where the main characters utilise the word to mean "obnoxious harley rider". Certainly, the xx-30 year olds in my social grouping apply it interchangably with "douch-bag" and "asshole", equally a prejorative term.

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What's the feeling? Should fag and faggot have different pages or should one redirect to the other? Likewise, anyone want to help out with this entry? --Dante Alighieri

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Not merely American teens - and fag can be used against not homosexuual people - i was patently a "fag" for being disabled

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Haven't people e'er heard a cigarette called a homo queer fag? Mayhap that should exist in here somewhere?

It was, and is again. There was some vandalism and a bit got lost, but it's back now! --Dante Alighieri 12:20 Dec 5, 2002 (UTC)

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Yes, I believe Europeans sometimes call cigarettes "fags".

No in Europe by and large. It'southward a British and Irish gaelic term. Mintguy 12:47 December v, 2002 (UTC)

That is, of course, the basis for the joke about the two possible meanings of the phrase "I'm going to go smoke some fags." --Dante Alighieri 12:28 Dec 5, 2002 (UTC)

And I recollect "faggot" is some sort of a institute?

I've heard "faggot" defined as a bundle of sticks, simply I wasn't sure that it was appropriate for this entry. --Dante Alighieri 12:20 Dec five, 2002 (UTC)

"faggot" is actually an imperial mensurate for sticks.

one curt faggot of sticks = 2 ft. girth x 32 in. long bundle of brusk wood sticks/billets

1 long faggot of sticks = ii ft. girth x 4 ft. long package of long forest sticks/billets

1 faggot of atomic number 26 = 2 ft. girth x 1 ft. long parcel of iron/steel rods/bars for horseshoes & so along

Only I guess that's for faggot and not fag. -- User:Nferrier

Originally the give-and-take meant bundle of sticks. The perjurative term originated from people who nerveless faggots for a living - primarily the one-time and the poor.

In Great britain you tin can buy a product called "Brain's faggots". Brain's (Brain's website) is the make proper name, I don't know of whatsoever other manufacturer Faggots are basically meatballs.

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Regarding the usage in British schools... a fag is one who fags? Verb and noun? --Dante Alighieri 01:06 Dec six, 2002 (UTC)

Yes, I could (if I was a senior boy in an English public school similar Eton or Harrow) have a fag. He would exist a junior boy (probably a first twelvemonth) and he would fag for me. He would exist doing fagging duties for (maybe) several hours a day or only a few minutes a week depending on how hateful I was.

-- User:Nferrier

And so your fag could become fag for you by getting you some fags? You crazy Brits! ;) --Dante Alighieri 01:13 December 6, 2002 (UTC)

Yous're getting it. And if y'all call up that'due south strange await until you hear about "canis familiaris" as in "I say you old dog, it'southward the dog on the dog." -- User:Nferrier

OK, requite me a judgement with as many fags and dogs as possible. --Dante Alighieri 01:18 Dec 6, 2002 (UTC)

I say you erstwhile dog, get on the canis familiaris to my fag and become him to make his dog to bring me some fags.

Trans: friend, telephone my menial assitant and ask him to make his girlfriend (note: presumably some other male child given the public school system, only not necessarily) bring me some cigarettes.

I don't know whether to be frightened or impressed. :) --Dante Alighieri 01:26 Dec 6, 2002 (UTC)

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Right now, the article implies that "fag" and "faggot" are not used in British English as pejorative terms for male homosexual. Is that right? AxelBoldt 21:eleven Mar 16, 2003 (UTC)

"Faggot" certainly has this pregnant in England (with meatballs and bundles of firewood equally still current, but slightly old-fashioned senses). "Fag" is understood as "cigarette" when spoken past a Brit, but is recognized in the Us sense when spoken past an American. -- Heron

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I'k reverting to the version before Deb removed the faggot sections as I believe that they belong in the article. The only edit since then is an edit that is made obsolete by the revert. --Dante Alighieri 02:07, thirty Jul 2003 (UTC)

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Information technology'southward practiced to meet that this entertainingly overloaded discussion is still provoking discussion.

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I don't believe this near fag-finish. I call back the use of "fag-end" to mean useless thing comes from the understanding of fag as a cigarette. What could exist more useless than the last bit of cigarette? for a smoker it's the nearly depressing thing to accept to become through your ashtray trying to detect fag ends that could possibly exist reused.

Any other possible genesis for fag?

Equally 'fag-end' is seventeenth century, and was used to refer to the flapping end of a piece of cloth, I doubt that it ahs anything to do with cigarettes or bundles of sticks... Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 10:17, xviii Apr 2005 (UTC)

Peradventure the Yiddish Feygele? Information technology means the same and sounds similar.

I thought that 'feygele' meant (literally) 'lilliputian bird'? Information technology ceryainly doesn't hateful 'useless matter'. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 11:59, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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>In the United kingdom of great britain and northern ireland a faggot (never abbreviated to 'fag') is a dish made of chopped meat and herbs, rolled into a ball and fried.

Why is the UK definition of "faggot" included here if it's never abbreviated equally "fag"?? Moncrief 07:47, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)

Please note the new definition as referenced by the creators of South Park in episode 1312 Fag:1) An extremely abrasive, inconsiderate person most ordinarily associated with Harley riders. 2) A person who oft rides or owns a Harley A fag is Gia Deport

Hmm, I recall there was zilch wrong with 'Origins' I wrote (with IP eighty.99.141.102).. Why did you remove information technology? I learn British Civilisation, and we learnt it from a British guy (and information technology's in our book as well). It'south a fact. I didn't apply any bad words or things like that in it.

Probably mistakenly. I've re-instated information technology.

James F. (talk) 18:48, 13 May 2005 (UTC) [answer]

First off, let's cover what a disambiguation folio is for. It exists, not to ascertain terms, but to allow a reader to chop-chop select between a list of sources of more data. Thus, the goal is to give as little data equally possible while resolving ambiguity.

Why very little information? Well, in my opinion, this is because information on a disambiguation folio isn't going to see the same level of scrutiny and debate that focused, well divers topic articles will.

Ok, at present on to the official guidelines as stated at Wikipedia:Manual of Mode (disambiguation pages):

• Don't include dictionary definitions
• Don't wikilink any other words in the line (accent from source)
• Don't pipage (change the link text of) the name of the links to the articles being listed (emphasis from source, parenthetical mine)

These three rules of disambiguation are violated several times in the body of this commodity. My edit was really not perfect at all, as I preserved ii violations on the line I edited (while removing several) and left all of the other lines alone. I'll correct that, and turn this into a existent disambiguation page.

Reverting my change seems counter-productive in the extreme, as you are supporting the poorly maintained content of this page. If you desire some detail concept to be covered in the definition / history / explanation of a particular pregnant of the word fag, and so you lot should probably edit the appropriate page for that item pregnant. -Harmil 04:01, 14 August 2005 (UTC) [reply]

Yous seem not to have read the whole text; the guidelines are but suggestions, and editors can "violate" them if that's appropriate in the circumstances: "For every style suggestion higher up, there'south some page which has a skilful reason to practice something else. These guidelines are intended for consistency, but usefulness to the reader is the principal goal. And then ignore these guidelines if you have a good reason."

You left an inaccurate and misleading gloss of the term; I reverted to the (very slightly longer) authentic version. That doesn't warrant all this fuss, and certainly doesn't establish "supporting the poorly maintained content" of the page. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:44, 14 August 2005 (UTC) [respond]

I've just seen your latest edit, which had to be reverted for a number of reasons. Beginning, "the original term for meat, cloth or sticks" is non merely incorrectly punctuated, it's completely false; "fag" has never been the term for meat, cloth, or sticks. Secondly, the usage "servant" includes the derived "Something that requires a lot of endeavour could be described as a fag"; without that gloss, the reader won't know which of the manufactures linked to covers that usage. Thirdly, the entry concerning the slang term for a homosexual was again misleading, and needed expanding. Fourthly, southward at that place's (as yet) no commodity for FAG Kugelfischer, in that location can be no impairment in explaining "ball bearing". Finally, the "see too section" does no harm, and could exist helpful to th reader. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:54, xiv August 2005 (UTC) [reply]

Every bit I understand it, the origin of the term "fag" as referring to homosexual is related to cigar smoking. A cigar, it seems, is something smoked by men. A fag, referring to a small cigar (which takes it's connotation fron the "fag" meaning pocket-sized kindling ... i.e. modest things that fume). "Existent men" smoke cigar, women (and effem. men) fume the smaller "twig" fags (i.due east. cigarettes).

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Fag(fag)substantive 1. An extremely annoying, inconsiderate person mostly unremarkably associated with Harley riders. 2. A person who owns or oftentimes rides a Harley.

The episode is convincing on the new improver to the English language language, this should be added simply considering information technology is a current relevent event that has happened though it should be annotated that this is Southparks version of the definition from the Episode entitled "Fags".

Convincing to who? That meaning has zero acceptance with anyone who is not a South Park viewer. -- NeilN ^{talk ♦ contribs} 03:twenty, 6 November 2009 (UTC) [reply]

Information technology symbolizes the progressive change of the words use. Every bit previously discussed, the give-and-take carriers a non sexual negative connotation that tin be used very broadly.

No, in that location is absolutely no evidence that this supposedly new definition will stick. -- NeilN ^{talk ♦ contribs} 05:11, half dozen November 2009 (UTC) [reply]

NeilN - are you serious? Do you lot live in a pigsty in the basis or something? People have been using it that way since probably the late 90s. In most uses cases the word fag is just a stronger form of the word gay. Both usages has very little if annihilation to do with homosexuality. Nonetheless, that beingness said, at that place are certain individuals who wish to continue oppressing homosexuals and maintain a sure gear up of derogatory words towards homosexual males. But it'southward possible to see where you're coming from. Lets all remind anybody that homosexuals are unlike and we need special words to insult them with. This is good since nosotros strip them of so many other rights as individuals and couples. We need phrases like "that'south then gay" and "you lot're such a fag" to absolutely mean that you lot're referring to homosexuals instead of a bunch of "inconsiderate assholes".

Are you trolling or what? Please provide a reference showing that the "an extremely annoying, inconsiderate person mostly normally associated with Harley riders" definition was in general employ since the late 90'southward. -- NeilNorthward ^{talk ♦ contribs} 16:33, 6 November 2009 (UTC) [reply]

I'd say that that exact definition isn't necessary. Exclude the Harley Riders portions of form. The of import role is that 'Fag' is evolving to mean lame more than than homosexual and I recollect it would be accurate for this commodity to represent that in some fashion Lacitpo (talk) 19:14, half-dozen November 2009 (UTC) [respond]

Might agree with y'all at that place. No need for the South Park reference. And this is really a dab page so dicdefs or etymology discussions may not be advisable. -- NeilN ^{talk ♦ contribs} 19:52, 6 November 2009 (UTC) [respond]

Admittedly agree with the premise that calling someone a fag present, and for probably most of the last decade, has little or nothing to practise with sexuality and is well captured past the Southpark definition. It should exist put back in the chief commodity. Neil, by disagreeing in the snooty "how dare you dissent" tone of your replies, you sir are existence a fag... ----

A fag but referred to existence a homosexual for a very brief period of time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.203.100.9 (talk) 00:eighteen, 7 November 2009 (UTC) [reply]

Not sure how you get snooty from what I wrote. I'yard but maxim that if annihilation is added, information technology should exist without the Harley reference every bit that detail dash seems to be limited to South Park. -- NeilNorth ^{talk ♦ contribs} 01:48, seven November 2009 (UTC) [reply]

Returning the updated definition to include the reference to obnoxious motorcyclists with loud pipes as the simply modifier is advisable as we all know the history of the term has been broad and evolved through various meanings over the years. Clinging to an out-dated meaning for trivial other reason than it's the one the editor is most familiar with is weak given the nature of an encyclopedia'south intent to address all uses. Also include the missing reference to a bundle of sticks. - MAJ

But there's no "history of the term" involving Harley riders. If yous have references other than South Park that bear witness otherwise, post them. -- NeilNorthward ^{talk ♦ contribs} 03:22, vii November 2009 (UTC) [reply]

Not truthful. Yesterday I was driving with my begetter who's in his belatedly 50's and doesn't even know s park, and a harley coiffure collection past, to which he quipped, "What a bunch of fags!". So far though South Park is the only objective source nosotros can attribute the new definition to. Clearly though, if nosotros can find a secondary notable source for this definition it should be added to the principal page. -Frank 24.2.244.98 (talk) 18:00, seven November 2009 (UTC) [reply]

Point of order. There pre-exists "The 'F' Give-and-take" episode of South Park an inclusion that likewise only has one reference. Information technology too traces back to the same writers (Parker and Rock). Yet no 1 had any personal issues with its inclusion. At the most brief level it would appear that resistance to inclusion of "current usage" updates is based on personal bias as opposed to objective ascertainment. Long-held aversions toward current usage that are owing to out dated perceptions is the very signal being fabricated by the writers of the prove. Speaking as 1 of those "quondam men over l"" referenced by Frank, it's not only "one-time" people who take a hard time tossing off the things learned during our childhood as the world effectually us moves on. - MAJ 03:34, viii Nov 2009 (UTC)

As a gay person who doesn't identify every bit a fag, I concord that it is time to rebrand the proper name. Its been done several times before, why non now, when it tin make a difference in a world caught upward in using it in a pejorative sense. I know I will be using it as such in my future conversations. Southpark made a very convincing case, and I think anyone against this transition should cheque out the episode before last it as inconceivable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.158.197.18 (talk) 12:02, viii November 2009 (UTC) [reply]

All Harley riders ARE non fags and the discussion however ways queer. The missunderstanding is because they wearing apparel up in leather and are seen by most to be queer. Outside many queer clubs (I have never within ane) yous often see queers wearing Harley gear. The classic pivot-up for gay men is a Harley rider in full leather gear. You lot tin't dismiss not watching South Park as a reason for non listening or entertaining the fact the give-and-take fag comes into the head of most people when they see Harley riders. And then the reason Harley riders are called fags is the underlying meaning that most of you seem to have missed. Harley riders are commonly queer and insecure. Afraid of their closet gayness think want to be seen as cool and think that people will look upwards to them and that women volition observe them attractive. They alive in their own fiddling dream earth (correctly portrayed in S Park). In actual fact decent women look the other way, but queers do discover the whole leather thing to be a bit of a turn on. Therefore the reason the word FAG is used for Harley riders is a little flake similar the Emporers new clothes. Virtually people really think that there is a queer person inside every Harley rider. Therefore by using the word fag one is actually saying "I know you are queer, come out of the closet only admit it", oh and while y'all are about it have that heap of metallic shit to the bit yard.

Y'all missed the point of the episode. The whole point is that fag no longer necessarily synonymous with queers. The fact that they wear leather has cipher to do with information technology. —Preceding unsigned annotate added by Sven1483 (talk • contribs) 02:42, 16 Nov 2009 (UTC) [reply]

You lot missed the point of the episode. Its ironic. As a Due south Park fanatic I can tell you three gilded rules. ane) Something is true only non well known to be truthful. 2) South Park touches on it and leads the viewer in the other way. iii) People realise that it was truthful after all. In this bodily fag instance its like this....

A big percentage of Hard disk riders are closet queers. Therefore they are chosen fags. Yet these Hard disk drive riders dont want to exist called queer (nosotros are not supposed to know they are). So if the general public now actually did believe that FAG does not hateful queer then we tin telephone call Hard disk riders fags without the queer allegation. The irony is that they ARE nevertheless queer and they ARE yet beingness called queer. The program drew attending to the fact that at that place are still HD riders who have not even understood how abrasive they are, that the public tin at present phone call them fags (knowing this to mean queer) but that Hd riders will (the irony) not realise that they are being called queer and thus remain closet queers but to themselves in the same little dreamworld were it is "cool" to own and ride an Hd.

Meet the section below for the definition and betoken of the episode. Naught to practise with homosexuals. YOU missed the betoken twice----

Fag - an inconsiderate or obnoxious person, normally driving a Harley. (a South Park parody definition that attempts to redefine the word to go far unrelated to homosexual slang) The whole indicate is that the meaning of words can and do change regardless of anyone's personal beliefs. This give-and-take has evolved beyond the scope of homosexuality and common sense (absent-minded of a poll of the human race) dicates that this definition or a shut proximity is already in utilize. ```` —Preceding unsigned comment added by JoeGrad00 (talk • contribs) 00:58, ten November 2009 (UTC) [answer]

See to a higher place. Where are your secondary sources? -- NeilN ^{talk ♦ contribs} 01:18, 10 November 2009 (UTC) [respond]

{{editsemiprotected}} i request that you add our recent meaning for Fags- a group of inconsiderate natzis

I call reductio advertising Nazium. - Jeremy ^{(v^_^v Stop... at a WHAMMY!!)} 08:21, ten November 2009 (UTC) [answer]

Secondary sources are everyone who is writing in this word and specifying that they employ "Fag" every bit a general pejorative, not associated with homosexuality. Stop being a fag and take it.----

See reliable sources on what sources are acceptable. Hint: editors aren't 1 of them. -- NeilNorth ^{talk ♦ contribs} 15:33, 10 November 2009 (UTC) [reply]

I'thou unsure as how to go almost finding secondary sources for a word that is used off-manus in random situations. I do however believe it should be changed, i think the south park reference is a practiced 1 because that usage IS oft heard. I'm sure you have heard it earlier neil. I have not heard information technology in the "queer" context for quite some fourth dimension, all of my children use it equally a term for something "loud or annoying", and quite often volition use it in referance to the harley'due south going past my residence. Information technology needs to exist updated for it's current useage.Rietas308 (talk) 07:43, 9 March 2010 (UTC) [answer]

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Harley-Davidson fag term removed [edit]

This:

* Fag, from the South Park episode The F Word - "A person who owns or oft rides a Harley"

was removed. I back up putting information technology dorsum.--Dana60Cummins (talk) 17:07, xix February 2012 (UTC) [reply]

• Delight encounter WP:MOSDAB. There should generally be merely one blue link for an entry on a disambiguation page and the link should support the usage equally described on the disambiguation page. In this instance, while the usage is mentioned on the commodity for the episode, information technology is not mentioned on the Harley-Davidson page. Thus there is no betoken to linking the term Harley on the disambiguation folio. Every bit for removing the entry altogether, the entry is extremely obscure and I am neutral with regards to its removal. older ≠ wiser 17:43, xix February 2012 (UTC) [reply]

Having read previous edits, i have seen this is a pop detail. I did notice all the same, two major faculties in why information technology was not going to be changed. #1 being reliable sources; #2 being that it refers specifically to harleys and/or harley riders. I'm unsure as how to go most finding secondary sources for a word that is used off-paw in random situations. I do notwithstanding believe it should exist changed, i recall the south park reference is a very adequate one because this usage IS ofttimes heard. I'g sure near people take heard it earlier. I have not heard information technology in the "queer/homosexual slander" context for quite some fourth dimension; all of my children use it equally a term for something "loud or annoying, general dislike" and quite often volition use it in referance to the harley'south or loud cars going past my residence. I do feel it needs to be updated for information technology's current useage, every bit a words meaning tin modify over the form of time and i believe it has happened in this case, and if you lot exercise want to provide relevant data to people this should be shown.

alot of people do utilise it in the same manner they would call someone an "idiot", "douche", or "prick"; and not refer it to homosexuality at all. this being the case if someone similar that was to yell it at someone in that way, and they refer to your website re the pregnant, they would be greatly misinformed.Rietas308 (talk) xi:42, 9 March 2010 (UTC) [reply]

For the same reasons enumerated higher up, no. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 11:45, 9 March 2010 (UTC) [respond]

That does not brand much sense at all. Authentic data must exist a high priorityRietas308 (talk) 12:26, nine March 2010 (UTC) [reply]

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This has been discussed at length and included at Faggot (slang)#Usage in pop culture. If you persist, further unsubstantiated comments of this type will be considered an attempt to use this talk folio for general defamation. Ash (talk) 12:33, ix March 2010 (UTC) [reply]

{{edit semi-protected}} This line is bad because of the bit at the end, bolded (?) here:

• Moving picture Actors' Society, a fictional evil organization of liberal actors led by Alec Baldwin in the movie Squad America: World Police; a parody of the Screen Actors Gild, the abbreviation FAG is function of the joke.

It's unsourced, and information technology'southward article content, which is tots inapprops for a disambig p. Just delete it.

24.177.123.74 (talk) 08:24, 21 January 2011 (UTC) [reply]

Right, yeah, I forgot, information technology's also bad english. The final comma delimited phrase should be parenthetical if information technology really needs to be kept. 24.177.123.74 (talk) 08:25, 21 January 2011 (UTC) [reply]

Yup. Also, inappropriate for a DAB page. Removed. Thanks,  Chzz  ► 09:04, 21 Jan 2011 (UTC) [reply]

Done

Current text for this page reads:

Fag, a British colloquialism for cigarette
FAGS (processed), former make of candy cigarette 'fags' in Commonwealth of australia It should be:

Fag, a British and Australian colloquialism for a cigarette
FAGS (candy), former brand name of Australian candy cigarette (currently known as 'FADS Fun Sticks'). Information technology's still selling in 2013 as "FADS Fun Sticks" with MARVEL Heroes advertising.
Tin can someone delight edit this? And check the link for FAGS (candy) is FAGS_(candy) ?
Cheers!
CertifiableNut (talk) 07:08, iv April 2013 (UTC) [reply]

I've edited the page to include your definitions.Wyliecoyote1990 (talk) 18:25, 24 November 2013 (UTC) [respond]

I tin can assure you lot nobody in Australia calls them fags anymore. It's a British matter, not an Australian affair. 2001:8003:4030:9A00:1174:5826:55D8:FE7B (talk) 19:51, 29 October 2016 (UTC) [reply]

Slang slur... Instead of a homosexual: A coward? A hypocrite?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.85.157.130 (talk) 11:ten, xv Apr 2014 (UTC) [reply]

I don't see how this is contributing to the article - Wikipedia is non a forum. --k6ka (talk | contribs) 11:10, 15 April 2014 (UTC) [respond]

For cigarette utilize [edit]

Can we remove the section used in British and Australian English language? While I can't speak for Britain, tin clinch you nobody calls them fags hither in Australia.— Preceding unsigned comment added past 2001:8003:4030:9A00:1174:5826:55D8:FE7B (talk) 19:51, 29 Oct 2016

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